Tennis is such a middle-class sport.

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#1 · Jan 20, 2002

I have to speak out here, maybe it's just in Britain, but I have to say that tennis will never really be a sport that appeals to the masses, like football.

It is an increasingly expensive sport. There are no public courts here that are mainatined well AT ALL. You have to pay for the properly maintained ones that are always associated with a club, hence the overblown court fees + membership. I manage to get to play tennis on a court for free because I am a student of a school which has asphalt courts.

But still... tennis will never be a sport that working class proletariats like myself will follow en masse. I'm glad I love the sport so much despite the fact daddy doesn't own a f**king yacht or earns enough money to buy a solid gold house (you know what I mean, quite clearly I'm exaggerating;))

I'll still be at Wimby this year (even though it does dent yer bank balance), but sadly not many working class people will be, as I saw in 2000, you can clearly see many people who go are middle class. It is also detrimental to British tennis as a whole that this snobbery continues so much. You never get kids coming out of an estate playing tennis and becoming a star. You get footballers coming from anywhere to becoming world stars because the game is available to everyone. Tennis is only available to the priveledged. Of course anyone can kick a ball around no matter how much the ball costs, but still, when evern you have got the equipment to play tennis at even the most basic level, you have to pay through the nose to keep it up.

It should not be that way.

My ambition is for a British kid, with a working class background to win a slam, or a tournament for that matter. It's a shame. Until then, our hopes will remain in a public schoolkid whose parents had enough money to build him a court in his back garden, and an ex-Canadian.

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#2 · Jan 20, 2002

Tennis is one of the Top 5 sports played in Australia & one of the Top 10 played in the world!!!!

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#3 · Jan 20, 2002

It is much simpler in the US, plenty of public courts, even with floodlights. In fact, I regret that tennis is not partly a sport of businessmen, that place is completely taken by golf, which I hate. And every person that wants to make a serious career in our business in the USA has to play golf..:)

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#4 · Jan 20, 2002

i wasnt "bagging it". i love tennis. i am just saying that it is a problem in MY country, and I suppose it is a bit elitist to other countries too. You have sort of missed my point.

I wouldnt post on here if I didn't like tennis.

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Kart

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#5 · Jan 20, 2002

You're right, but ask any kid with a working class background who they'd rather be David Beckham or Tim Henman. The answer is Beckham all the way and not because he's married to the Spice girl.

There's just not enough promotion of the sport in England :( it gets zero coverage for 49 weeks of the year unless you've got cable and there aren't exactly a large bunch of role model tennis heroes to follow in mens or womens tennis here.

Facilities are a big problem, but getting people motivated onto tennis and off football is an even bigger problem.

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#6 · Jan 20, 2002

joey makes good points.

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#7 · Jan 20, 2002

I live in Britain and Joey is quite right. My local courts do not even have nets and the surface is full of holes. It's a joke, unless you have a rich daddy don't even bother trying to persue tennis.

I didn't see any "bagging" either.:confused:

When was the last time Britain had a decent female player? Jo Durie? That was a long time ago!! Too long.

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#8 · Jan 20, 2002

I agree with what u say Kart. Kid's here get out their rackets or buy a racket the week Queens is on and the fortnight Wimbledon is on, and two weeks after, and then you nevr hear of tennis agin for another year. It's as though it is a fad.

A lot of this in Britain is down to the LTA. They simply do not put enough money into getting people interested in tennis. They say "we are focusing on grass roots", but these young promising players they are focusing on are still part of an elite selection.

There are so many children who may have the natural ability to play tennis, but will never be found because of the inability to attract youngsters to the game. The game has to be brought to the masses more.

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#9 · Jan 20, 2002

I'll try and get a picture one day of my towns only true public courts. The markings have almost disappeared, holes in the courts and the fencing vandalised. The bowling greens are in immaculate condition... but you have to pay to use those, and bowls is incredibly much a minority sport compared to tennis, probably a speck of dust compared to tennis' popularity and potential popularity.

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#10 · Jan 20, 2002

Kart:

You're right about the coverage. I listen to the BBC World Service, and they're absolutely terrible when it comes to covering sports not involving competitors from the British Commonwealth. I don't remember hearing anything about Hingis winning the Doubles Slam, but when Paes and Bhupathi won a minor tournament in Japan in 2000, the BBCWS made a huge deal about it. They follow Britainstimhenman, Rusedski, and the Aussies, and virtually ignore women's tennis because the British Commonwealth players (with the exception of Coetzer) have virtually no success.

But I should add that coverage in the US is almost as bad, although at least we have more events. But if you asked the average person at last year's US Open who the only player to defeat Venus Williams in the US in the past two years was, I'd bet that not only would only about 10% of them know, half of them would say they've never heard of the player who is the correct answer. Part of the problem, I think, is that the US media seem to like players who act like a**holes on court (Connors, McEnroe, the early Agassi, and Roddick), and players they can use to promote their political agenda (eg. why they didn't laugh Richard Williams out of Indian Wells for his comments that what happened to him was the worst thing since the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr -- or for calling Spirlea a big white turkey -- could you imagine what would happen if anybody called one of the Williams sisters a big black turkey?). And golf and tennis have always been seen as sports of the wealthier, which really irritates most journalists. This, I think, is part of the reason why Davenport has never gotten the attention commensurate with her results.

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#11 · Jan 20, 2002

The LTA is useless, I'd bet that most people in England don't even know what the letters stand for. Of course almost anyone could at least make a guess at what FA or FIFA stand for.

In terms of the women's game - as someone else pointed out, Jo Durie was the only one of any substance for about 20 years, but I think that women's tennis in particular is still highly underexposed.

It's not like British women tennis players don't exist.

If the media promoted them - even just a little bit is better than nothing - I think that would at least wake up the minds of schoolgirls that the sporting world is not comprised totally of men (despite what Grandstand's coverage would have you believe).

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#12 · Jan 20, 2002

I guess it all depends on where you live. Where I live, court memberships are not expensive at all... I work at a tennis academy now so I get to use courts for free but when I didn't, memberships weren't all that costly. I'm not from a rich family either. It really all depends on where you live.

I know that there are A LOT of problems with the LTA in Britain... as british female player Karen Cross pointed out: "the media only gives us attention during wimbledon, where we get slated because we don't do so well, and the rest of the year we are ignored".

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Kart

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#13 · Jan 20, 2002

And Ted :), I think you hit a huge point re: number of tournaments - England has about 4-5 major tournaments.

However, being realistic, even if there were more, I don't think that the non-cable TV would cover them as they wouldn't have enough airtime to fit them in. Still, at least that would publicise the sport on a local level which is better than nothing I guess.

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#14 · Jan 20, 2002

those skanky promotions with Ian Wright (a fucking footballer!!!) promoting tennis to inner city kids are ridiculous.

fine, get the kids interested in tennis.... then get them depressed cos their parents can't afford a racquet, the courts, the clothes, the balls, the coaching, etc etc etc.

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#15 · Jan 20, 2002

Where I live, most schools do have tennis courts that you can use for free. The cost of renting a court is not very cheap... and there are no public courts.

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#16 · Jan 21, 2002

tennis is #2 in germany :)

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#17 · Jan 21, 2002

Another view.

This is a very interesting comment. Being

a US citizen residing in Singapore is quite

an eye opener.

I find that yes; tennis is big back in the states; but

not as big as golf, football, baseball or basketball.

It use to be a middle class sport;but has filtered to

the mainstream in most warm climate states.

Tennis racquets are affordable and so are lessons

with free tennis clinics at most city parks.

Oddly enough because of the Singapore's past

British ties tennis is probably bigger here than

actually in Britan. Everybody is glued to the

grand slams; everybody knows who is still in

a tournament especially if it's WIMBLEDON.

Ok; the regular ATP and WTA events may not

be that big ;but I suppose because Badminton is

played as an P.E sport in every primary ,highschool

and junior college "net" sports tend to be very

accesible. All the big public parks have tennis

courts available throughout the island. There

are private clubs too around the island for members.

On the other hand in other countries in Asia-

Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Indonesia,

Phillipines, Malaysia tennis is for

the upper classes without much free public

courts available.

Thailand oddly enough; has public courts and

indoor courts available for the

general public. The fees for indoor venues are

quite affordable. The success of Tamarine T

and Paradorn has opened up the doors of tennis

to Thailand and sealed the investment of tennis

as a national sport to pursue.

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#18 · Jan 21, 2002

Tennis is extremely popular where I live. There are tennis courts opening all the time everywhere. These courts are fully booked from 06:00 to 21:00 (except from 12:00 to 15:00 because it is far too hot here).

Tennis bookings are a little bit high by local standards (USD 3 to USD 6 depending on where and when - off peak and peak hours), but since doubles is more popular than singles, it reduces the booking fees.

There are very few private clubs and courts are mostly booked by the hour.

The tennis courts are most of the time in excellent condition (see the links to some pics I have taken of tennis courts next to the place I live. Courts are empty as I took the picture today at around 13:00!).

Accessories are quiet affordable (racquets, shoes, clothes and even balls) as there is a secondary market.

Whenever there is an international tennis tournament here, players are extremely surprised by the attendance compared to other countries (I understand for instance that there is absolutely no one watching the ITF / Challenger tourneys when there are some in Singapore ;) ) and the "involvement" of the crowd (some players are not used to it at all ;) ).

There were not enough seats for the last Men $10,000 ITF event in Hanoi last year !!!

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gentenaire

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#19 · Jan 21, 2002

It's a vicious circle. If you don't have any top players, tennis doesn't get much coverage, tennis isn't popular, not enough kids start playing it, so you don't have any top players.

In Belgium Sabine Appelmans and Dominique Van Roost led the way. They were never ranked as high as Kim and Justine now, but they were ranked high enough to get a lot of coverage.

Now that we have Kim and Justine, it's very difficult to join some tennis clubs because they're full! Tennis is immensely popular now, lots of people are taking up the sport. In some places, you can only play at night because the courts are being used all the time.

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per4ever

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#20 · Jan 21, 2002

joey...you are right.

Tennis is still a pretty exclusive sport. Also in Belgium. People who want to make it in tennis have to be at least middle class I think. It's just too expensive otherwise.

We have public courts in some places, but they are mostly in bad shapes. The good courts are in the clubs, and they are not that cheap. But not too expensive either..I think Tennis just has the name to be a classy sport.

Although it's hard to believe sometimes..lots of the tennisfans are well educated people. Just look at all the members here, and it's clear.

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#21 · Jan 21, 2002

I thought the LTA was launching a big campaign to get more children that couldn't afford to play involved in a program??? I remember reading about it last year.

I guess I will count myself as fortunate, blessed and/or lucky. We have sooo many public courts in Florida! I have one within 3 miles of my house that has 24 hard courts and 1 ball machine. It's cheap and the USTA has classes year round as well as tournaments. About 15 miles away they just installed 7 clay courts, also public. I haven't given that a try yet.

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#22 · Jan 21, 2002

Yeah we thought that too...

The LTA are very much like my home town council. Last year they announced massive plans to modernise the town centre, renovating buildings into art galleries, libraries, resteraunt, a state of the art bus startion, new hypermarket, renovated train station, nightclub, the works... All the plans were plastered over the local newspaper, with the idea of us having a Market Square with coffee bars and everything... It sounded awesome. Of course, it was all forgotten within a month. Nothing's happened.

And that's like the LTA, they announce this new scheme, yet you never hear of it after the initial grand announcement. The whole of the LTA needs reworking. British tennis is a joke.

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#23 · Jan 21, 2002

duuuh!! Our local club is called "the boat club" and you HAVE to wear white, I'm not F***king going there.

and where they produce desolation, they call it peace

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Steveg

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#24 · Jan 21, 2002

Although it's hard to believe sometimes..lots of the tennisfans are well educated people.

The ATPtennis.com chat has been temporarily shut down. We've had several complaints about abusive language on the chat, and we're in the process of upgrading our registration process.

:rolleyes:

Looks like it is indeed really hard to believe.

Very happy to be here (on the WTAworld.com board) :) .

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#25 · Jan 21, 2002

It's a f**king pleasure to be on this board, ye set of bastards. ;)

Having to wear white is stupid, and why the hell is it called "The Boat Club"

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Monica_Rules

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#26 · Jan 21, 2002

Well i live in the UK and i have to disagree!I play tennis all year round and between October and April i play on these courts for free the from April to September i join a club and get to play there whenever i want and alos i get to play on my school courts in the simmer for free.I'd say the only expensive thing is buying raquets!

Also though if i want to play indoors during th winter it costs £9 and hour!:eek:

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