Charles Errock [2] [a] timed

 Charles Errock [2] b

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Railway Tce 2.m4a

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OK.

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OK, I do not.

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Remember a lot about Grade 3 and grade 4 at primary school Peterborough, but Grade 3? I had a teacher called Miss Thomas. Mm-hmm. And she was very kind to me. I had a lot of sickness at that time and she was very kind to me. She signed me up.

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For the Children's Lending Library in Adelaide and then every month I would send off small requests for what books I wanted and send the other books back. It was all free and I read all the Biggles books through that scheme.

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The book would be sent to Port Pirie, Peterborough to Peter. Yeah, OK.

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OK.

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That.

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Yeah. When I was in Grade 4, I don't recall while I was very ill, I used to get one sickness after the other. And then I started to get these shocking pains in my stomach. I asked to go to the toilet. I'd get up to the toilet, and it was a fairway away from the classroom, and I wouldn't come back.

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They'd send someone for me and I'll be doubled up. Umm little pain and that. So they would get her, bring me back down the street. Line me down. Give me a couple of aspirins and then when the pain went away, they'd send me.

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Home, usually one of my friends would donkey me home on their bike. OK and then.

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Did you know the net? Did you know the name of illness at the time?

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The in the name of illness. Did you know that at at the time?

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No, I found out later when when I go, when I went home, my mother would call the local doctor. Hmm. There's name was Doctor Flaharty. Yeah. After he come a couple of times, he decided that I probably had a twisted bow.

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Or.

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So we recommend I go to Adelaide to see this doctor Britton Jones, who was a leading surgeon there. He examined me and he put me in the.

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Hmm.

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Children's Hospital like that. And so I don't not quite sure how long I was there, but one thing I do remember about it was that every morning.

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I'll go out on the balcony and the because it was during the war. Mm-hmm. They had that. I had a depot across and they would come out and all line up and salute the flag. Yeah. So they what they would parade in the morning so we'd watch them parade. So one of the things I remember there.

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OK.

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When I, when I finally they just found out that I was suffering from kidney stones, OK.

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And I passed them and they said, well, I could go back home to Peterborough because my mother was at Peterborough. But my two aunties lived at Middlebury Rd. Lower Mitch. And my auntie Lorna with my father's cousin. Yeah. And she had a hairdressing salon in the York Theatre.

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And rundle straight. OK. And if you went had to go up and the lift up first floor and the first thing you saw when you got to the door of her fell on was a big photo of Joe Stalin on the.

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Wall. Mm-hmm.

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Blue red bag but.

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So you didn't require an operation, yeah.

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No, no, no, no, no. I passed them and and that was OK. So she come to pick me up when I was ready to go home. So she took me to the Civic Theatre in Rundle St. Mm-hmm to see Bud Abbott and Lou Costello and film called Hit the ice.

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And it's the last the whole way.

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Through ohh it.

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Was when they were running for them and when we got outside the theatre there was.

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2 aboriginal.

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Chaps 2. American ***** soldiers and two Australian soldiers, and they were having a little scuffle there. Yeah. And next thing, there was this screeching of brakes and this American, these two American MP's in a Jeep turned up. They didn't say a word to anyone. They both had a bat.

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And they went to the two American soldier, hit him across the head.

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Yeah. OK.

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Throw them into the back of the Jeep and and tore off. Apparently during the war they had a a office or sort of A at opposite the Adelaide railway station, somewhere without situated and that someone actually rang up and reported it. They come and fix it. They didn't say word just went bang.

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Put him in like that. Yeah. So I remember that. That was one one of the first things I saw in there.

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I didn't know that there were American soldiers in Adelaide because of some nuclear.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Now that was in the second.

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World War, yeah.

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Well, there was a lot up north in Brisbane and yeah, but yeah, that was that was that was quite a few around the place, but they had this, this these MP's had headquarters in in North Terrace apparently that's where they came.

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From.

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So that was OK was just a little.

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Side thing I thought I might slap the engine.

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Yeah, OK, mention. So you rather had a good time after he's in hospital. So Are you sure?

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Yeah. Yeah. Ohh yeah, that's OK. I come good. So that. So I really was from grade 5 on that. I remember lots of things. Yeah, lots of things happened in my life from there.

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And because I was a lot healthier and you could remember a lot of things.

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Now on 111 day my friend was dogging my home on the bike and there there was a big storm water train that ran right through the middle of Peterborough. Yeah, they used to get huge storms and around April may and that and that this before.

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That was empty that this time, thank goodness, and we fell off when he lost control of the bike and we went through the fence and fell down into.

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The the drain, which was about 8 foot down about 6 foot wide and that now as as we fell down there, this chap, Ivan Lang, they had a dairy, a simple old dairy in the turn Victoria Street where I live and he came and got us out and took us home.

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Oh.

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And that started the relationship with him because he he got to know us and my brother, they used to milk 8 cows.

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A day and it's only him and his elderly mother and father. So my young brother used to go up there other night time and do help him do that. And he's in fact, he he would have milked the 8 cow or something, right? Yeah. So then one day either Lang pulled up and he said to my mother, he said, oh.

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Oh.

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Boys like to come out to the farm. They had a farm about 12 miles out from Peterborough on the door.

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Right. And she said alright and he said I'll just cuddle my lunch, he said. I'll pick him up and he said I've got a bit of work to do out there. They can come out. So he's what his idea was. A lot of the fences had been washed down with this rain, so he had to put all these fences up there. Yeah. Needed someone to hold the post. Yeah. While he pounded them in and.

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And that so that happened several times. We went out there with him to help put up fence fences. So I learned to how to put a fence, learn to use the the wire tighteners and everything, you know.

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Oh.

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And then.

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Another another year he came back. They were. They were shearing. Hmm. And his brother had gone off to study, to be a motor mechanic. So that left techie with the 20 techy island, Lang and. And so he would take us out with him. And so he taught us how to.

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He would shear the sheep and told us out Australia to flee S out on the table and pick all the other bits out follow.

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Up and put it in the bottle and then now if we're done that, he'd get us to jump, get up and jump in and press them down a bit and and that. So he went out there. We'll be up there all day while he was sharing. And so I got to know him very well.

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And that was something that, well, was just something for us to do. Umm, especially our school holidays and that. And that's when I used to go out there. Then later on in the year.

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The Gibbs brothers, they had the milk round, they lived the other side with Peterborough and and so as Jim Gibbs came in one day and he said to me, would you like to earn?

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A bit of money, a bit of pocket money, and I said ohh, he said. Well, I need someone to come on the milk ground with me and those days they used to have a can and the needle in the top and the.

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Just tip the milk into that and then to whatever a jug or a sauce 

or whatever person was going to put the milk in. And I remember milk was 4 pence a pint and tuppence hate me for half a pint and.

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So anyway, so he had a a model.

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And he used to use that to go on the ground and we'd have the big cans of milk in the back and and and the smaller ones in front of them that we go out and and I suppose they used to serve about between 40 and 50 customers.

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Hmm.

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On that and they used to get 2 shillings.

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OK.

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So visit households.

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Set.

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Yeah, yeah. Just go around. Yeah, all the households. And and there was some strange things went on that of course it was during the war and it was against the law to serve cream to people that had to order to go to the butter factory.

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I see.

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Ohh, but he used to scold his the the milk of the night. I used to scold it. Give the scolded cream and the some of his customers if it's his children's birthday or something. Or Mr.

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Gives. Can I get some cream? And he used to have these little condensed milk tins. He cut the cloth out.

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OK. Yeah. OK.

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It.

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And he's to fill one of them up. And I used to charge them one and two and six cents for one of these, but used to be funny. He used to wear a hat and and and.

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I don't know what you call some sort of covering and you know.

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And we just hide it under there and look around and see see no one was looking. It used to be real funny eyes get real. I get it. Yeah. And yeah, it's great on Grey coat. He used to wear and he put the cream in there. Hide it around to see if anyone was looking. And yeah. Go over and sell the cream.

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So that was alright. He you know he always had a few of those in the back in a box with a wet bag over it. And that. Yeah. So that's so anyway.

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Hmm.

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I used to work there with him and I worked for quite a few years like grade 5-6 and probably in Grade 7 and and then one day we used to go home. All the other milkmen used to go early. They'd be coming off their milk round when we started and they used to call us the midday milkies.

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Hmm.

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I.

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But it always Take Me Home afterwards. I have to help him wash the cans out. And then you give me lunch. You'd make a nice lunch for him. And he said to me one day he said, well, he said if you'd like to earn a bit more money, we need to cut up some.

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Yeah.

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Chaff.

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Hmm.

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And what we do after? Well, he, he bought a.

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Army disposals truck the Chevrolet and.

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And we used to go down to canal. We built load that up with hay and bring it up because when we got there had to be go through the Chaff Cutter to feed the cows and they, they they they had for 28 between 28 and 30 cows you know.

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What this chef?

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Hi. Hi. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You put the sheet for hay through the shaft cover. Mm-hmm. And it comes out like, with shaft. Just loose.

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Hey.

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Hmm.

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OK. Yeah.

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So I no, I would do that from well probably 2:00 in the afternoon till it got dark. I'll be up there putting a chair. She's a haze for the church. Got it. And I got another two shillings for that. So that was OK, so.

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Always had a few shillings. You had to get wherever you could. We were very. We were a poor family. But we were well looked after.

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How much is 1 shilling into the?

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Money. 10 cents. $0.10. Yeah, not much.

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Then apart from doing that to earn few made about once a month, I used to collect all the newspapers and bottles and I had a cart that I made really cart that I made that to put it right down be a good mile mile and 1/2.

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To and I go to the butcher shop and he would buy the the newspapers.

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And then.

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So you collect from each household many households.

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Well around the place. Yeah, just close to home and that and.

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So but one month to month I'd loaded.

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Up.

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The bottles and that and then I go down to root shocks now roof shocks.

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This route, like he had the Federal Hotel and across the road, he had a a green grocery shop and the wine shop which were together so he wouldn't take. He wouldn't pick up the bottles from him to a.

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Greengrocer shop used to.

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Showed at 12:00 on Saturday mornings, so you have to wait there till that shop. Then they come out and they buy the the bottles from me. So I might make 3 or 4 dollars, 3 or 4 shillings out of that. You know. So that was those little things. We don't. Yeah. So.

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Then.

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I think when I was in grade 5. One morning, Arnold Pink was the butcher. Now there was a relationship with our family through his late father. Every Christmas, Arnold Crank turned up on our doorstep.

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Was either a duck or a fowl and gave to my mother, and that was under instructions from his late father. Hmm. Because my father him were great friends.

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Apparently I see.

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No one ever said anymore. Anyway. Arnold turned up and he is.

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Leading this alongside his they had like a butcher's cart those days, but the the Baker used to have a bakers cart to go around delivering bread, and the butcher had a butcher's cart with the go and deliver the meat and everything. So he had this horse.

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Hmm.

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Alongside of him.

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And he said, I've bought your kids a horse to try and he said he's Brumby this. He said they've said a lot of Brumbies down from the north down to be slaughtered, he said. But I saw this little bloke there, he said. And I thought, well, he he looks that he might make a good little horse.

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Where to ride in the gym cars? He said. You'll have to break him in.

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Mm-hmm.

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So anyway, because my father was in the life force during the.

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War.

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When the first thing we had to do with course of mouthing. Mm-hmm. And.

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So he was able to help us with that. So he's put him in. We had a 10 acre paddock and went out. The two horses there and we just shoved him in. He took a little while, but he he seemed to be OK. We gave him a feed bin and fed him the same time as the others. And then we tried to.

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Pat him and clotting him down as much.

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As we could.

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And then when we got him after I put a halter on him and left him for a couple of weeks and.

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Then.

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Dad started to put a bridle on him with a bit in his mouth so he could teach, you know they have to mouth.

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And so that when you pull on one rain, they come round and that so anyway we got him mouthed and.

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And and we used to.

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Put the saddle on him. But we were my father wouldn't let us ride him and he said no. He'll get someone to ride him. When? When the time comes. And so we'll put the saddle on and leave him. Not the saddle on for a couple of hours. Then take it off. And that and leave him around.

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We'd get on one of our horses and have a head truck alongside of us round the paddock and that's so we got, you know, got him fairly quiet.

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How old was was the horse at?

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At the time.

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He's very young and then probably.

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And he fully grown. But he was only about 16 hands high. And but he. Yeah, he was just above pony size but.

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Still couple of years old.

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Yeah, probably a couple of years old. And so at any rate, when we got him reasonably quiet or that O'Toole brothers got Jack O'Toole and his brother Ronnie O'Toole, they used to break in horses and and educate them and that and they had.

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A. A place on the Terrelli Rd. Called the ranch. That was all it was, was a few horse yards and they'd built a little barn and put all their saddles and gear in, and it was a meeting place for us all. We'd go out there to practice. It was not right alongside the we would practice for the GYMKHANAS and that.

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So anyway, I said to Ronnie one day. Well, we've got that Brumby ready to arrive. Dad won't let us drive us. He said all right.

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I'll come in tomorrow and I'll jump on and see how it goes 

so he can well, he screwed or just and squealed and bucked and bucked and yeah, you know he couldn't. But and Ronnie was pretty hefty so he couldn't. But he couldn't bug him off. And then so he came two or three nights after he finished out at the ranch.

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Hmm. And jumped on him, and then he got him very quiet. He'd walk around. Yeah. So then we could ride him. Do what we like. Really, but.

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We used to ride our horses quite often, bare back without putting the saddle on. You know he put he he he would not let you ride him bare back. No, he bucked off straight away. He got on. He bucked you off. But if it's with a saddle on, he wouldn't.

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Bucket. All right.

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So then.

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We used to burn wood like firewood. Mum and Dad used to have to buy the firewood and we had this little green cart, so we harnessed him up and put him in his cart one day 

and I knew metallic out that mean valara just just out the.

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So, so we I went and asked him if we Could.

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He had a lot of dry wood made in his paddock and he said, yeah, you can take it all the dry wood. You like, you don't touch any of the green. It's all mally trees. He said don't touch any of the green ones. But no, he said all that dry wood sooner, we get a little bit the better so.

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My brother and I will go on a Saturday.

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Morning. We'd take some lunch with us and we'd go out there and with a saw and an axe and and picking that and we'd dig up a few stumps and and we'd load the load the cart up as high as we could with it. And it had a seat across the front. And then the back was all open a little.

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The Brumbies no trouble. You'd pull at home, you know. So it's there. One at least once a month. We for a couple of years we go out and get a load of wood. And that helped. We've made enough to buy so much wood.

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So yeah, that was a real experience for us. Now breaking a horse in and and that and that, yeah, so.

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That was about when I was in about grade five. I think that's when things started to get good for me then.

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School Sports Day, 

we having a sports day one day and and we're playing cricket and owls fielding at Silly Point.

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And for me to be there, but this but crack the ball hard as he could. I'll put my hands up in front of my father to catch them. Went straight through and knock me out. That was the first I was ever knocked out. And I remember that was they had to bring a stretcher down over the drain down to the.

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Oh.

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And the first thing I remember, I remember getting hit and the next thing I remember was on the stretcher going up over the. So the same old thing there put me in.

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You have.

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Room out of bed in their restroom gave me a couple of aspirins and then when it came time to go home, ask me if I was alright. Yeah, OK. So they got done. Anderson talking me home on the pipe. But I don't think Peterborough never had an ambulance until after me. Anyway, there's no such thing as.

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Call the doctor or or call an ambulance. Just get home. You go.

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Yeah. So then?

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I have become very interested in a sport and boxing.

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Was boxing was a great at that time. It was a big thing and we we even used to four or five lads that used to come round to our place. We couldn't afford boxing gloves but we used to make up. We used to use socks and stuff and with the newspaper and and get in and and fight so.

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Sing.

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And then.

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So I want to keep on going doing that. I wanted to learn to box and then I found out I could join the YMCA.

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Hmm.

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And that was a club where you were at that made that made, that made a big difference to my life actually.

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Because we used to have 40 minutes, you'd go in to the room and you'd have a prayer session and perhaps the Bible reading. And then we used to have debating.

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They've been split, a lot of say there were 40 people, there will be 20 on each team and yeah, you have a, you know, debate for or against, you know that how they do it. And so I I that taught me a lot. You know me a lot of confidence in public speaking that sort of thing. But then after 40 minutes.

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You go out into the gymnasium and they used to have tumbling and there's they. But there was one chap there that used to teach boxing. Umm. So I got in that squad and so.

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Hmm.

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Hmm.

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So what's going on in YMCA has nothing to do with the.

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Cool. I know. No, it's the young Men's Christian association. It's.

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So it's entirely do most most children from school also go to Inca well?

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Yeah, well, there was. There was, I suppose we used to have about 40 people go there and same people. Yeah. From school and that sort of thing. Yeah. But anyway, as it happened in this boxing.

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So we were, there was a lot of us around about the same height and weight. Yeah. And So what they would do, they would be teaching us to throw punches. You're using a punching bag and everything. And then at the end of the session, this stuff, he would.

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So you you have a fight with him, you have a fight with him. He'd he'd sort him out, try and make it Even so, yeah, you get the these have these.

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Yeah.

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8 oz hmm big 8 oz boxing gloves and that and and you have say 2 rounds. Hmm. You know, boxing and he didn't like to say, oh, you're the winner or the winner, but, you know, you sort of knew who who won and sort of thing. And you just tap.

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On the shoulders. So well, well done. And so that and I've done that for for several years, OK, you know and then.

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That they used to always send a manager from Adelaide to manage that side of it. They had a big brick fuel, they took borders, and Mrs. Nuttall used to run the boarding house thing and she used to make the meals. They ate meals for their borders and everything, but they they couldn't get suitable.

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Boats to go and take over the that that the club part that I was in so that virtually died you.

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Know.

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MHM.

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You can go down the you can go down and use the gymnasium that you're on your own sort of thing. And some of us used to go down, but then?

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When?

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When I eventually left school and joined the railways at.

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In 1948.

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Shortly after that, they had a big migrant. They built a big migrant hostel. Hmm. Because under the mass Rd. pan they've got all these blokes out from the Baltic states.

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Yeah.

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And they're under contract to the railways. Water Works for two years. When they came out. Yeah. And so we started the boxing and the Athletic Club. Ohh. So I got into the boxing again. OK. And we had this, Nicky, I don't know what his other name, but he was one of these chaps. So you were around 15? Yeah.

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I see.

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Yeah, 1516 by that time. And so any rate he is the he is very strict, he he he wouldn't let us put the boxing glove on for at least a month.

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We gave us a list of exercises that just to skip and run and use the punching bags and that 

and then several instructors here pieces had to throw punches and that. But after a month so he used to do the same thing. He would pick out who would fight who. So he went to three rounds.

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Freely and false. And so you said, you know, a couple of weeks 

it wouldn't be  every week, probably every fortnight.

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Was there competition among boys?

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Yeah, yeah, it's it's only now. It's just just learning to bounce from that, you know. But yeah, that we're.

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All very competitive.

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Yeah. And so that that lasted for a while.

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And.

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So I didn't go any further than that. I was quite happy, but I wasn't winning as many as I would have liked.

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So then after that.

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I later on I got called up for National Service training and because when I got there he went in the sporting section. Of course I went in the boxing thing again.

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Hmm.

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But after I came out of there, I decided that.

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Yeah. No, I wasn't going to make it and that so it just.

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National service, meaning military.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. For how how long?

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In Spanish.

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You're in there for three months.

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Ohh OK.

00:28:49 Speaker 1

And then then you're done. Then you're done up to two years with CMF, so it was a two year thing, but you've done three months basic training at Woodside.

00:29:04 Speaker 2

OK, I'll take a picture of that later, yeah.

00:29:07

OK.

00:29:09 Speaker 1

So anyway, then 

I went back to Peterborough and I was working and and the railways 

and then made it on to come round. And he said oh.

00:29:17 Speaker 1

I forget that I do touch.

00:29:19 Speaker 1

That I do it.

00:29:23 Speaker 1

Yeah, this lad, he was an apprentice children Turner and he'd been sent up Medley. But he's an amateur fighter. He had only a practicing for a title, his father back in the 40s used to be the station master there and he himself was a a amateur champion boxer and he had the two boys.

00:29:43 Speaker 1

He taught them both just right. So anyway, this lab was there. He'd come up from Adelaide.

00:29:48 Speaker 1

And he said to him later, like Kevin Turnbull, he said I need someone to spar with. And he said Ohh, he said. I'll ask Charlie. He said he he might come and start with.

00:29:57 Speaker 1

You umm.

00:29:58 Speaker 1

So I went down to the gym and I said to him, I said look, I haven't done any training or anything and I said, but yeah, OK.

00:30:08 Speaker 1

And because he's bigger than me and I said, OK, well, you know, we'll give it a try and see how it goes. So then you.

00:30:13 Speaker 1

That first round, you know this is alright. You know, I was keeping up with him halfway through the second round. I was starting to get bit puffed out and that and then when we come up to the third round, we only went about 1/2 a minute and he put his hands up and he put his hand on my head. Yeah, he said chest. He said you were. You were right to give it away.

00:30:36 Speaker 1

And that was the last time we were put. Put a box? Yeah, I said yeah. He said no. No, give it away. He said if I don't wanna hurt you. Yeah. And.

00:30:45 Speaker 1

Yeah, he said. But you haven't got it. I had a mate that I met when I was swimming National service training filled with with me. He was a good boxer. He never. He turned professional when he was about 15 or 16, he went to Melbourne. He fought the top preliminary boy and fought him to a draw.

00:31:05 Speaker 1

Umm. And for square bumped into Wilford. Always put feathers on on that because he could beat me easy, but it was just for fun. That and yeah.

00:31:15 Speaker 2

That's national service means that you go away from work for three months.

00:31:20 Speaker 1

Ohh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Would drive for three.

00:31:23 Speaker 1

Months. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

00:31:24 Speaker 1

Yeah, most of these, most of the.

00:31:28 Speaker 1

Most of the trainers we had had just come back from the Korean War. Ohh I see. And they they were the the boats that trained us. Yeah. We got trained very well. Yeah. Because they'd just come back from.

00:31:41 Speaker 2

Yeah, while you were here, your employment is paid. Ohh yes, I see. Yeah, yeah. We got paid there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they paid.

00:31:52 Speaker 1

Us and everything.

00:31:54 Speaker 2

They pay you and but the railway also pay you.

00:31:59 Speaker 1

No, they had you got leave, but yeah.

00:32:01 Speaker 2

Yeah. OK, leave.

00:32:03 Speaker 1

But the the only page is while you're there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Strange times.

00:32:12 Speaker 1

Yeah, a lot of lot of terrific memories there.

00:32:16 Speaker 1

But you get basic military training. Ohh yeah. Oh yeah. Full on. Yeah. Basic military training. Yeah, but time you come out there you could. You could use a brand gun. Yeah, it was just. It was right on. It was very good. Yeah. So that was that was later on in life.

00:32:37 Speaker 1

I've done that but.

00:32:41 Speaker 1

Going back to my schoolboy days. Yeah, and the things I used to do to entertainment. So because it was during the war and they were always collecting money for the Red Cross or fighting forces comfort funds. And I remember 1 stage, they had these penny pricked.

00:33:00 Speaker 1

Bugs Umm had a card that always watching you take it to you and you gave me a penny. You'd put a brick in the card. You might give me shopping for six months and put.

00:33:10 Speaker 1

I mean, and I saw I think couple of weekends I walked all the time around Peterborough to fill these cards up so I could take him back.

00:33:18 Speaker 1

At Monday's school.

00:33:19 Speaker 1

And, umm, and that's one of the things I mean from doing there and.

00:33:25 Speaker 1

I love. I always have. I always loved sailing and I, you know, I would love to have been said I wanted to join the Navy. My father wouldn't, would never sign the forms for me to go. But I used to make these the the at the end of the this big drain that went through Peter, it was it was a railway dam was a huge dam. Yeah and.

00:33:46 Speaker 1

The size of this block probably get even a bit bigger so as to make these wooden boats to put a sail on them and take them over and.

00:33:53

Hmm.

00:33:55 Speaker 1

And watch them go around the dam. You know, they all different sorts. And then.

00:34:02 Speaker 1

I saw someone there one day they dabbing yabbies.

00:34:08 Speaker 1

And they were. Ohh yeah, it was about that long. Yeah, so I thought I'll give that a go. So I used to have a Sunday afternoon.

00:34:16 Speaker 1

And with a chop and a bit of string and a little dab net, I'd feel like a bucket. Well, full of the abbeys, you know. And I'd take him home, mum and cook them, and she'd make a salad and we'd have them for dinner on Sunday night. So I've done that for quite a few years. Yeah.

00:34:19 Speaker 2

Yeah.

00:34:22 Speaker 2

Yeah.

00:34:33 Speaker 1

And then of course, a bit later on during the war, we had the troop trains running up and down, and that passed our place, and we used to go out.

00:34:48 Speaker 1

Because we all use firewood map. But there was a railway bridge there and we would go out sometimes with a bucket and just go along and get some of the coal that would run that had fallen off the engines that take it home. I live there the first time with one of these. Troop trains were coming back from Darwin.

00:35:08 Speaker 1

And all these bits and these all of a sudden they threw these cans.

00:35:15 Speaker 1

And those hands of preserved apricots, and we'd just pick them up and take them home. And, you know, Mum would be real pleased, you know, with their vape cuts and custard for dinner that night. And. And yeah, they were big cans and.

00:35:24 Speaker 2

Yeah.

00:35:33 Speaker 1

Yeah. So that was always something that went on because with the coal, if we were going along, getting the coal and.

00:35:41 Speaker 1

The train went past and they recognised who we were and that all the and finally throw a shovel for a cold out.

00:35:50 Speaker 2

Oh really?

00:35:53 Speaker 1

Give us a bit of help. Yeah. Yeah. So that was right. And over there we had because we had the cow had this cow that dad bought and we used to go across there and there was always plenty of green plants that feed. So we got with a sickle and a chaff bag with a filled chafe bag and.

00:36:12 Speaker 1

With this for the cow, you know and butcher from this will, but she used to love her and I sold the horses. We sometimes we'd fill the.

00:36:20 Speaker 1

Couple of.

00:36:22 Speaker 1

Bags of freed up, which are sickle and and the horses have some like that.

00:36:29 Speaker 1

Yeah.

00:36:30 Speaker 1

So then we got into this.

00:36:33 Speaker 1

Jim Carnes. They started up and we used to ride in the bending races and the flag and barrel races and the musical chairs competition. And they would have always have a hack race. And I used to ride moan and a hack races but then there were a few.

00:36:51 Speaker 1

Gaps there that had real race horses out, and they always put a.

00:36:58 Speaker 1

A race on for them and my brother used to ride in those races. He was a lot better.

00:37:03 Speaker 1

Rather than what?

00:37:04 Speaker 1

I was was a lot lighter and.

00:37:08 Speaker 1

So that was a bit of fun. I used to ride them in the bit of track with it, you know, and it became quite a hub tools had their ranch there.

00:37:19 Speaker 1

And they were always breaking in horses. And they had a big horse called Lofty because half the draft horse half that same but big horse they used to put him in a cart.

00:37:30 Speaker 1

And the horse having trouble with getting the horse that they're breaking in time, they'd put him in and they go around the track, you know, and of course, the little other little horse. He'd have to go with his with lofty, would you know? And yeah. So. And then we used to.

00:37:50 Speaker 1

We we decided with some of the horses there would try and jump them and that and.

00:37:56 Speaker 1

Fell there one day and and they had this pony and I was trying to make it jump and it just wouldn't jump.

00:38:03 Speaker 1

And any rate, Mr. Maloney?

00:38:07 Speaker 1

He was the oldest man in South Australia holding trainers license. He trained hundreds of winners back in the 20s and 30s. Hmm. And he was well up into his 80s and his big man. And he is on his horse this day and he's watching me try and jump this a pony. And he said.

00:38:28 Speaker 1

Bigger than a pound.

00:38:30 Speaker 1

Yeah, about 1516 hands high. Anyway, he jumped off his horse. So give it there, he said. I'll show you how to do that. It's me. So he left and stirrups and he jumped on his horse and just wheeled it around back-to-back that way, and then he tore it to jump straight over the top.

00:38:38 Speaker 1

I'm looking.

00:38:53 Speaker 1

Yeah, he he trained lots of steeplechase winners and hurdle winners and his training career. Now, umm, he's a very interesting man. Yeah, yeah.

00:39:06 Speaker 1

So.

00:39:09 Speaker 1

Where we go here. Troop trains? Yeah. Ken's seat with the butcher there. And he bought these young steers. They were half brown. Who brought them down. And there was a road that went in the back of our 10 acre block. But no one.

00:39:29 Speaker 1

To use very much so, he used to bring them down there with plenty of grass there and he'd put them in there and.

00:39:37 Speaker 1

For the day to have a feed, you know? So my brother and I thought at that time they were thinking about starting buck jump riding it were as well as the Jim Carner, which meant riding the stairs and riding bucking horses and that.

00:39:52 Speaker 1

So we'll we'll give our try ourselves out with these stairs. So we've run a bit of winning across.

00:39:59 Speaker 1

Behind and in front of them when we got out there with the rope pushed, put a rope around him and jumped on them and they bucked like hell. You know, we've done that for several days, but then someone must have told us to sleep, that we would he come down on his horse with a big stock, wet and threatened, he said.

00:40:18 Speaker 1

They get on those tears again and he said you'll get this whip around you and that. So that was the end of that. We we didn't do that anymore.

00:40:26 Speaker 1

Yeah, but we were, you know, we were never bored.

00:40:30 Speaker 1

You know my grandchildren and that and that someone on board, they got all these mechanical things got there good on board. Umm, we never had time to.

00:40:39 Speaker 1

Be bored? Umm.

00:40:40 Speaker 1

We would always be doing something, you know, riding horses, boxing.

00:40:46 Speaker 1

Playing game of football. Mm-hmm. You know, during the school holidays, we're getting enough to get two teams together and and go on one of the ovals and have a football football match and that. But.

00:40:57 Speaker 2

Was there any difference between?

00:40:59 Speaker 2

Like rich families, kids and the poor, poor families, kids.

00:41:04

No.

00:41:04 Speaker 1

Not really much, no, not there. There was never much that there.

00:41:09 Speaker 1

That was a beautiful place. Yeah. And everyone got on pretty well together. I suppose there weren't many people that consider themselves elite, you know, umm, most of us working class town. Yeah. And that and.

00:41:24 Speaker 1

And everyone got on pretty well together.

00:41:28 Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah. So I.

00:41:32 Speaker 1

Yeah. So that was virtually about all that happened during my.

00:41:39 Speaker 1

School life, general, younger life and when I.

00:41:44 Speaker 1

When I turned 14, of course.

00:41:48 Speaker 1

I've done like most kids at that. Yeah, I went to school, went I only had done one year at high school, my 3rd 14. So then I thought.

00:41:55 Speaker 2

So.

00:41:58 Speaker 2

What percentage do you think of kids from primary school went to high school?

00:42:05 Speaker 1

Or big the big percentage.

00:42:06 Speaker 2

Yeah, like more than 50. Ohh yeah, yeah, 80.

00:42:11 Speaker 1

80% of the yeah, probably 70 or 80.

00:42:12

From.

00:42:14 Speaker 2

Percent. Ohh. OK.

00:42:17 Speaker 1

But with us in the position we're in, umm yeah. And my mum and dad.

00:42:21 Speaker 1

Needed the help.

00:42:22 Speaker 1

And, umm, and I remember my first payday. I I couldn't get home quick enough to give her 5.

00:42:28 Speaker 1

5 lbs OK from my board, yeah.

00:42:33 Speaker 1

Yeah, so it's help to them and yeah, but then I.

00:42:42 Speaker 1

When I was going to high school the first year or was only there the one year, but Jack McCarthy was the.

00:42:52 Speaker 1

The math teacher there, but he was a great athlete. He he ran second in a store gift once and he always said he won it. But that was a hometown decision. Nowadays they've got a camera photo finish, but those days he said they just gave it to the local lad and he said I'm absolutely certain and I beat him and he played.

00:43:12 Speaker 1

Football for this time. So, but he used to spend like recess time when we were out. He'd be out there watching us and he'd give us a tip on kicking a football or sometime when it was cricket bowling and doing that and and everything. But when in in the winter time.

00:43:30 Speaker 1

There was 4 football teams in Peterborough at that time. There's one team there, it's Peterborough and James Sound combined because they all died away, but he would the the teams that the football clubs would ring him up and say, is there any lads that you think might be?

00:43:32

Right.

00:43:49 Speaker 1

Good enough to, you know, fill in with the short. So tap me on the shoulder once and he said if you go down to practice with the railway football club, he said you might get a game this week. He said they're very short of players. I said alright.

00:44:05 Speaker 1

So that was a story in itself. I went down because I was very excited and that and I put my shorts on and ran out and over and I just went to pick the ball up and this boy said, hey, have you paid your Subs?

00:44:18 Speaker 1

And his book called Healy Stevens. He was captain of the railway football club.

00:44:24 Speaker 1

And I didn't even know what he meant, what he was talking about. He paid his Subs and.

00:44:31 Speaker 1

And that the Town Football Club used to have half the home and the railway football they used to train the same night so that half the.

00:44:38 Speaker 1

Day.

00:44:38 Speaker 1

Bleeds. Mm-hmm. And just release presents. He was from and past. He heard what he said. He said. Charlie, come over here with us. He said no, don't mess about there. Come over here with us. And he said.

00:44:50 Speaker 1

You can have the ball now here. So they took me under my wing and they really did take me under their wing.

00:44:57 Speaker 1

So instead of playing for the roller football club, even though working rollers are playing for a.

00:45:01 Speaker 1

Town football club.

00:45:02 Speaker 2

Umm.

00:45:03 Speaker 1

Because of that, they're.

00:45:04 Speaker 1

It was just one of these sarcastic quotes. He was David.

00:45:07 Speaker 1

Oh.

00:45:08 Speaker 1

Applied for for progress you applied with him in combined size later on in life than I got better at playing and but that was a start there. So anyway, so I didn't I I intended to get a job.

00:45:26 Speaker 2

Hmm.

00:45:27 Speaker 1

As soon as you have from 10/14, after Christmas and.

00:45:33 Speaker 1

Any latencies? Chaptal said, said Tweeden. He was another player that he tried to help me a lot with my football and that, you know, and he said, what are you going to do when you leave school? I said, Oh well, so don't feel about the job in Peterborough. I said. So I I'd like to go to Adelaide and live with my auntie and that will get on really well with them.

00:45:54 Speaker 1

And then so he said Ohh, he got, he said. But you might have to go.

00:45:59 Speaker 1

To Adelaide to get a job you might be like a job here and I said I'll try, but you know. So then a couple of weeks he came and he.

00:46:05 Speaker 1

Said I got your job. Hmm.

00:46:09 Speaker 1

And I said, well, you, me and he said, well, he said, I've been the the stores clerks office you've.

00:46:16 Speaker 1

Since I was 14 then, but I turned 21 now, he said. So I have to go and work in the store so he said. I asked Mr. Harris.

00:46:25 Speaker 1

My boss was the house. If he would give you the job and he's he knew who you were. And he said yes. No worries. So yeah, my first job was the office youth. The stores. Island was a fantastic. He was the best boss I've ever had. I owe him a lot. One thing he did, he taught you to work.

00:46:32 Speaker 2

OK. Yeah.

00:46:45 Speaker 1

He had a little office.

00:46:49 Speaker 1

First, this room and a bit more besides, yeah.

00:46:54 Speaker 1

He had his desk faced out over where the stores were mine faced in against the wall, so I couldn't towards the wall so I couldn't get distracted and all had a certain amount of work to do every day and then he had a draw down alongside of if I ran out of work he'd put his hand down.

00:47:14 Speaker 1

Need some something to do that is happy but he tried very hard to make me get get me to go back to school. He didn't want me to.

00:47:22 Speaker 2

Leave school, OK?

00:47:24 Speaker 1

And he tried very hard, he said, look.

00:47:27 Speaker 1

Go back to school, but don't workout. Come back here. So yeah, you always have a job here. Umm. But I said no. No. I need mum and dad. Need help and I said yeah and you know.

00:47:39 Speaker 2

The the store sells what all kinds of miscellaneous.

00:47:43 Speaker 1

Was railway workshops and and all the stock.

00:47:45 Speaker 2

Ah, OK.

00:47:47 Speaker 1

All the stuff I.

00:47:48 Speaker 1

Needed and not.

00:47:49 Speaker 1

Groceries. No, no, no. No, no, no. It was all nuts and bolts and parts and steam engines and parts of royal cars. And it's like hardwares. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, very much like that.

00:47:54 Speaker 2

OK. Yeah, yeah.

00:48:02

Yes.

00:48:03 Speaker 1

And so anyway, it's the lower stop there for a few years and I never. I never left the railways after that, went there for 41 and half years. So yeah, that that was my start but.

00:48:19 Speaker 1

He he had this office and it had the old Brown.

00:48:25 Speaker 1

Liner that government stores had in you know, so every morning he used to come in an hour later I used to have about 7.

00:48:35 Speaker 1

And normally he'd be there by 8:00, but he wouldn't come in till 9:00. You know what I had to do was.

00:48:40 Speaker 1

To scrub, yeah.

00:48:42 Speaker 1

That one yard at a time and then wipe it off with another yard a time, and then when it dried, had to go and Polish it all. Mm-hmm. With the Polish, you know, on the hands and knees. Poles.

00:48:55 Speaker 1

And didn't come.

00:48:57 Speaker 1

And he'd have a good look around. And she saw a patch that wasn't right. You'd say. I think you better do it again, lady. So I'd have to do it. So. So he taught me to work, and, yeah, he was very strict that way. But yeah, he was a good boss. He.

00:49:03 Speaker 2

Hmm.

00:49:16 Speaker 1

Couple of times I was when you young lads like that you get you can get into with the strikes and that and then you know, I got had a made over in the machine shop and this bill Sanders was the boss over there he came because I used to go around.

00:49:31 Speaker 1

I used to have to.

00:49:31 Speaker 1

Go to the.

00:49:32 Speaker 1

Office and at the main office and pick up the mail and that and I'm on the way. I'm calling in the chat to Peter, you know, mate, who was office boy there? An old little Sam's. He came over and he said can you keep that Lady yours out of my office. It's distracting my boy and I think.

00:49:50 Speaker 1

So any rate?

00:49:53 Speaker 1

And that all all hinder him. He lit up, he said you go back and look after your, but then he gave me. He told me off afterwards. But but he stuck up for me while he was there. I see he stuck up for me. Then when he went then he laid the laid the Lord out. Me. That's good. Yeah were there.

00:50:07 Speaker 1

Yeah.

00:50:13 Speaker 2

Any other employees in the store? How many? How many there was?

00:50:17 Speaker 1

88, OK.

00:50:18 Speaker 2

Hey.

00:50:20 Speaker 1

Yeah, I used to.

00:50:21 Speaker 2

Others were old ages.

00:50:24 Speaker 1

Yeah, always. Here. And then then, then, then three of them worked. Shift work and oil store, which is the other side there. So have to trap the buckets. So the bucket for the boats driving engines with the lamp in them and different things and that and so and they had to go like afternoons.

00:50:43 Speaker 2

This this store had no relation to railway like as a company is independent.

00:50:51 Speaker 2

Or it's store itself is part of OK.

00:50:58 Speaker 1

Yes, it was. That's what it was. And yeah, no, it was the actual I.

00:51:01 Speaker 1

Was 21.

00:51:02 Speaker 1

And 14. And then I went out into the store.

00:51:08 Speaker 1

And then.

00:51:10 Speaker 1

They used to bring the oil down from Broken Hill, lead, zinc and.

00:51:18 Speaker 1

Over and that used to come down to port period. The the smell of used to be smelted and that was at a premium at that time. They couldn't get enough trucks. Hmm. And a lot of trucks that needed fixing and they they couldn't get any of their carriage and wagon makers to come up from Islington up to Peterborough. So they put us on us.

00:51:39 Speaker 1

To dilute the carriage and wagon makers umm. And so I went out and was was a lot better because it was better money and a lot of overtime. And so I went out there as a carriage and Megan and that was yeah big.

00:51:56 Speaker 2

Thing and so carriage and wagon making. Wagon nugget. Yeah, yeah, but that does that require apprentice? Well, yeah, normally, yeah. Yeah, but because they didn't have, didn't have enough.

00:52:03 Speaker 1

Trucks, the trucks that go along.

00:52:17 Speaker 1

Caring ragnos come up. They gave U.S. jobs. They they called us. Diluting carriageway. We hadn't served our apprenticeship. Yeah, but they just employed us to do that. Yeah. And mostly it was out on the trucks. Hmm. These all trucks? They would.

00:52:30 Speaker 1

And always been needing repairs. And so we would go out there ahead of.

00:52:38 Speaker 1

System there that worked. Trucks came in in the morning, went out at night. So. Mm-hmm. You might get 20 trucks come in some days and you'd be working, you know, flat out getting them next day only get 3. And so, umm, you just have to get those 3 going.

00:52:51 Speaker 2

So there, there will be some skilled technician. Ohh yeah, then you will be helping. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. OK.

00:52:56 Speaker 1

Yeah.

00:53:00 Speaker 1

And but then we went on to.

00:53:03 Speaker 1

To that, working on the carriages and that and.

00:53:07 Speaker 1

You're learning you're learning of trade as you went along. Yeah. And because you're working with tradesmen and that and that, so you.

00:53:14 Speaker 2

So eventually, what kind of occupation within the railway did you take up? Carriage and magnet, I see. Yeah. OK, yeah. And 25 years I've tried.

00:53:34 Speaker 2

Today's term is is like a automobile mechanic.

00:53:38 Speaker 1

I suppose, yeah, I suppose. Yeah. It's a trade. Hmm. And yeah.

00:53:44 Speaker 1

Sometimes I found a bit awkward because I didn't have enough skill, but then eventually I learned hmm. In 1963 I transferred to Port Lincoln. Mm-hmm. And there I had to work on everything. Rail cars. Yeah. Coaches and.

00:53:59 Speaker 1

We rebuilt and we rebuilt build, rebuilt that for brake pans.

00:54:05 Speaker 1

And what we've done there we we got.

00:54:10 Speaker 1

Four block and tackles and we took him in a shot and we we pulled the roof off of the off of the brake there. Hmm. Pulled it all the pulled the whole thing and then.

00:54:22 Speaker 1

We had our we had the wooden machines there. MMM. The doors we used to get them sent over from Adelaide and they had to be specially made, but the rest of it we had to do it ourselves. So.

00:54:34 Speaker 1

So that was interesting. We yeah.

00:54:37 Speaker 2

So that occupation still exist.

00:54:41 Speaker 1

Well, they close the railways there. It's still an occupation. Yeah, wherever there's they, wherever they build carriages. Yeah.

00:54:47 Speaker 2

Despite change of technology and material and great deal of change.

00:54:53 Speaker 1

I I think the Victorian Railways are still run by the government, so they would have still have carriage and wagon markets.

00:55:01 Speaker 1

And.

00:55:02 Speaker 1

But they cut it right out in South Australia. That was it. OK, yeah.

00:55:08 Speaker 2

OK, so yeah, OK.

00:55:09 Speaker 1

OK.